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#occupational/takeoff #topic/ambiguity #topic/transparency #occupational/takeoff #topic/ambiguity #topic/transparency
Related: [[lighting-controls-takeoff]]
### Minutes ### Minutes
2025-12-10 08:30--10:00 2025-12-10 08:30--10:00
Objective: Discuss lighting control systems Objective: Discuss lighting control systems
***
A primary reason for the discussion was presented: A primary reason for the discussion was presented:
> [!example] ^ex > [!example] ^ex
@@ -31,6 +35,8 @@ A primary reason for the discussion was presented:
> When the project team received a quote for a "per code" system, > When the project team received a quote for a "per code" system,
> the total was ~$600,000. > the total was ~$600,000.
***
Ultimately the responsibility is ConEst's Ultimately the responsibility is ConEst's
to resolve discrepancies between: to resolve discrepancies between:
* applicable code * applicable code
@@ -38,6 +44,8 @@ to resolve discrepancies between:
* Bid proposal intent * Bid proposal intent
* PDR quote intent * PDR quote intent
***
It was erroneously suggested that lighting control conductors It was erroneously suggested that lighting control conductors
may be run with their circuit conductors if both are 600V insulated.[^1] may be run with their circuit conductors if both are 600V insulated.[^1]
@@ -18,4 +18,7 @@ However, for construction projects,
**return** is known but **cost** must be estimated. **return** is known but **cost** must be estimated.
In this way, projects are better compared to _insurance accounts_. In this way, projects are better compared to _insurance accounts_.
- cost of individual service is uncertain
- cost to customer must be minimized
[[actuarial-science]] [[actuarial-science]]
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### Naming Conventions (Use Case vs. Description) ### Naming Conventions (Use Case vs. Description)
Related: [[realism-vs-instrumentalism]]
Naming by use case is intuitive for those without estimating or field experience, Naming by use case is intuitive for those without estimating or field experience,
but has the side effect that those accustomed to the names but has the side effect that those accustomed to the names
will inevitably _treat them as descriptive_. will inevitably _treat them as descriptive_.
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until a contract is signed. until a contract is signed.
Destigmatizing proposal retraction is of critical concern for subcontractors. Destigmatizing proposal retraction is of critical concern for subcontractors.
See [[estimating-culture]] for more on estimate error [[strategy#Game Theory]]. See [[estimating-culture]] for more on estimate error [[game-theory]].
It's important to recognize that retracting a proposal It's important to recognize that retracting a proposal
may upset a few people employed by the GC, may upset a few people employed by the GC,
but consider how little your own opinion matters to your company's strategic decisions. but consider how little your own opinion
matters to your company's strategic decisions.
Much bigger people are involved after the proposal is accepted. Much bigger people are involved after the proposal is accepted.
## Resources ## Resources
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--- ---
# Estimating Ethics # Estimating Ethics
Clients engaging in unethical bidding practices can quickly gain a reputation for doing so, Contractors engaging in unethical bidding practices
leading to reduced bid response that can be impossible to fully recover from. can quickly gain a reputation for doing so,
leading to reduced bid response
that can be impossible to fully recover from.
To ensure a transparent bidding process, one must To ensure a transparent bidding process, one must
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# Fixtures Takeoff # Fixtures Takeoff
This system is only for luminaires and their immediate branch wiring. This system is only for luminaires and their immediate branch wiring.
See also [[lighting-controls]] and [[electrical]]. See also [[lighting-controls-takeoff]] and [[electrical-takeoff]].
## Info
## Sequence ## Sequence
### 1. Preparation
1. Read about the project specifications and construction type
2. In drawings, locate:
* Fixture Schedule
* Reflected Ceiling Plans
### 2. Takeoff
See [[fixture-designations]]. See [[fixture-designations]].
1. Takeoff floor plans in order 1. Takeoff floor plans in order
2. Takeoff enlarged drawings 2. Takeoff enlarged drawings
### 3. Review
1. Garage Homeruns
2. Luminaire in Amenity Areas
3. Ensure appropriate breakdowns
* Site lighting in System "FML - Site Fixtures Material & Labor"
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$$ $$
\begin{align*} \begin{align*}
1 \text{Btu}_\text{IT} &= \left( 4.1868 \times 453.59237 \times{\frac{5}{9}} \right) \text{J} \\ 1 \text{Btu}_\text{IT} &= \left( 4.1868 \times 453.59237 \times{\frac{5}{9}} \right)~\text{J} \\
&\approx 1055.056 \text{J} &\approx 1055.056~\text{J}
\end{align*} \end{align*}
$$ $$
@@ -34,8 +34,8 @@ a unit of power.
$$ $$
\begin{align*} \begin{align*}
1 \text{MBH} &= 1000 \text{Btu/hr} \\ 1 \text{MBH} &= 1000~\text{Btu/hr} \\
&\approx 3.412 \text{W} &\approx 3.412~\text{W}
\end{align*} \end{align*}
$$ $$
@@ -49,8 +49,8 @@ Unit of power
$$ $$
\begin{align*} \begin{align*}
1 \text{TR} &= 12000 \text{Btu}_\text{IT}/\text{h} \\ 1 \text{TR} &= 12000~\text{Btu}_\text{IT}/\text{h} \\
&\approx 3516.853 \text{W} &\approx 3516.853~\text{W}
\end{align*} \end{align*}
$$ $$
@@ -62,8 +62,6 @@ Unit of volumetric flow
### Airflow ### Airflow
* CFM
External static pressure (ESP) External static pressure (ESP)
measured in inches of water measured in inches of water
@@ -72,23 +70,23 @@ measured in inches of water
* Tons (refrigeration) * Tons (refrigeration)
* MBH * MBH
Entering air temperature (EAT) * Entering air temperature (EAT)
Leaving air temperature (LAT) * Leaving air temperature (LAT)
Mixed air temperature (MAT) * Mixed air temperature (MAT)
Latent heat * Latent heat
Sensible heat * Sensible heat
Sensible -> dry bulb * Sensible -> dry bulb
Latent -> wet bulb * Latent -> wet bulb
#### ??? #### ???
OSA EAT (F) * OSA EAT (F)
EXH EAT (F) * EXH EAT (F)
IN S.L. * IN S.L.
OUT ALT. * OUT ALT.
### Efficiency ### Efficiency
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> [!info] "Local Control" as a PDI proposal qualification > [!info] "Local Control" as a PDI proposal qualification
> The term "local control only" is sometimes used to indicate > The term "local control only" is sometimes used to indicate
> no consideration for _any_ lighting control beyond standard devices, > no consideration for _any_ lighting control beyond standard devices,
> (with `$D`'s being the triac type) > (with `$D`'s being the [[lighting-controls#Triac Dimming|triac]] type)
> however, this phrasing is ambiguous and non-universal. > however, this phrasing is ambiguous and non-universal.
> Confirm with [[pdi-estimating#Bid Estimating|bid team]] on what must be included. > Confirm with [[pdi-estimating#Bid Estimating|bid team]] on what must be included.
@@ -31,7 +31,7 @@ Determine which Systems and Codes are required:
### Stand Alone ### Stand Alone
0-10V dim -- "LV cable" is 2 conductor 0-10V dim --- "LV cable" is 2 conductor
Takeoff rough-in for switches and occupancy sensors Takeoff rough-in for switches and occupancy sensors
* **Branch Length** = length of room * **Branch Length** = length of room
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@@ -100,6 +100,13 @@ Locate:
1. Locate Equipment Schedules 1. Locate Equipment Schedules
### Fixtures
1. Read about the project specifications and construction type
2. In drawings, locate:
* Fixture Schedule
* Reflected Ceiling Plans
### Low Voltage ### Low Voltage
1. Locate Proposal/Scope of Work. Determine ownership and takeoff responsibility: 1. Locate Proposal/Scope of Work. Determine ownership and takeoff responsibility:
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@@ -21,7 +21,7 @@ for [[construction-estimating]] which:
* determines necessary [[estimating-detail]] * determines necessary [[estimating-detail]]
ROE leans heavily on [[uncertainty#Value of Information]], ROE leans heavily on [[uncertainty#Value of Information]],
which challenges the natural tendency to shy from uncertainty which challenges the natural tendency to fear even the smallest risk
with the reality of the **cost of certainty**. with the reality of the **cost of certainty**.
ROE does not endorse common shortcuts that round up to "cover" uncertainty, ROE does not endorse common shortcuts that round up to "cover" uncertainty,
@@ -32,19 +32,8 @@ increasing the probability of loss to a competitor.
## TALK ## TALK
Despite how alien my approach may seem to most estimators, This note currently gets too far into the weeds
I believe its all merely extrapolation on the conventional practice. of critiquing common practice.
ROE includes fields far more disparate
than my peers would traditionally consider relevant.
Bid risk may fit a [Taleb distribution](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taleb_distribution).
[Actuarial Science](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actuarial_science)
strongly parallels construction estimation:
- cost of individual service is uncertain
- cost to customer must be minimized
%% %%
@@ -83,9 +72,7 @@ See [[optimal-estimating-patterns]] for more.
Objections to the use of historical data in new estimates are not unfounded. Objections to the use of historical data in new estimates are not unfounded.
A framework to do so competently and consistently A framework to do so competently and consistently
does not currently exist. does not currently exist.
Nor does the software necessary to utilize such a framework efficiently.
> [!info]
> Nor does the software necessary to utilize such a framework efficiently.
The goal in and of itself ought not be controversial, however. The goal in and of itself ought not be controversial, however.
Businesses regularly make far riskier decisions based on projections Businesses regularly make far riskier decisions based on projections
@@ -117,7 +104,8 @@ Estimators know what the most likely and most expensive options are for a given
and can fill in the detail required for item-oriented takeoff. and can fill in the detail required for item-oriented takeoff.
This is called an **assumption** and is the basis of cost estimation. This is called an **assumption** and is the basis of cost estimation.
Assumptions are fundamentally incompatible with item-oriented estimating as it is commonly implemented. Assumptions are fundamentally incompatible with item-oriented estimating
as it is commonly implemented.
It is not possible to compare price possibilities It is not possible to compare price possibilities
except by creating separate takeoffs and breakdowns for each one. except by creating separate takeoffs and breakdowns for each one.
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--- ---
id: id:
aliases: [] aliases: []
title: Takeoff Review
tags: tags:
- authorship/original - authorship/original
- destiny/permanent - destiny/permanent
- occupational/takeoff - occupational/takeoff
- status/incomplete - status/incomplete
- type/encyclopedia - type/encyclopedia
title: Takeoff Review
--- ---
# Takeoff Review # Takeoff Review
@@ -22,3 +22,10 @@ Count Car chargers and location
Ensure takeoff is in the generator `Area` and `System` breakdowns Ensure takeoff is in the generator `Area` and `System` breakdowns
Put location, quantity, and type on OneNote Put location, quantity, and type on OneNote
## Fixtures
1. Garage Homeruns
2. Luminaire in Amenity Areas
3. Ensure appropriate breakdowns
* Site lighting in System "FML - Site Fixtures Material & Labor"