--- id: 2025-11-10T11:14:00-0500 title: 2025-11-10 11:14:?? tags: - occupational/takeoff - original-format/digital-text daily: "[[2025-11-10]]" --- # 2025-11-10 11:14:?? I was updating my notes, filling in gaps in scripts based on [[joel-jansen]]'s, when I noticed a strange paragraph: > [!quote] `OneNote`/`Joel Take-off`/`Misc. Notes` > Drop Down Ceilings vs. GWB (Gypsum Wall Boards) > > Drop down ceiling is technically "Exposed" (the real term should be accessable), > so Romex and SER is not permited. Will need to use MC. > > > [!image] > > ### 334.12 Uses Not Permitted. > > > > #### 334.12(A) Types NM and NMC. > > > > Types NM and NMC cables shall not be permitted as follows: > > > > 1. In any dwelling or structure not specifically > > permitted in 334.10(1), (2), (3) > > > > 2. ==Exposed in dropped or suspended ceilings== > > in other than one- and two-family and multifamily dwellings This analysis of 334.12(A)(2) is flawed. Based on the [[nfpa-70_100_definitions|Article 100]] definitions of [[nfpa-70_100_definitions#Exposed (as applied to wiring methods).|exposed]] and [[nfpa-70_100_definitions#Dwelling, Multifamily.|dwelling]], 334.12(A)(2) can be paraphrased as follows: > [!cite] [[nfpa-70_334_nm-cable#334.12(A) Types NM and NMC.|NEC 334.12(A)(2)]], pp. > Types NM and NMC cable are not permitted to be installed > in accessible spaces above suspended ceilings, > _except in buildings containing one or more dwelling units._ The prohibition of 334.12(A)(2) _never_ applies to apartments or condos, And only applies to hotels and dormitories on a basis of AHJ interpretation (See [[multi-family-dwellings#Are Hotels Multifamily Dwellings?]]). It's unclear to me if this a genuine misunderstanding or just a [[heuristics|rule of thumb]] to cover the case that guestrooms are not interpreted to be dwelling units. If it's the latter, I believe it's far too conservative to be used whole-cloth on all estimates.