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id: 2025-07-18_estimating-isnt-engineering
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# Estimating Isn't Engineering
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A peer recently expressed frustration to me
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about the declining quality of construction drawings,
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specifically how scope is often ~~required but not detailed~~.
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%%
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TODO: discussion based on the difference between engineering,
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(which requires knowledge of subject matter)
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and estimation
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(which requires knowledge of ~~impact~~).
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%%
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It's not engineering to budget for the most likely case.
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Estimators need not know _why_ there tends to be ~~example~~,
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they need need only have basis for applying that generalization to another project.
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@@ -4,7 +4,10 @@ Standardize formatting and input methods for common
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(mostly multi-family specific)
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project info, including:
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* level names
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* levels by elevation
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* unit types
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* info
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* by level
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* area types by level
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* switchgear by level
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* feeders
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To calculate regular quantities
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* sleeving
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* conductor support
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* by feeder routing
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* sleeving
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* conductor support
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* by area
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* temp power
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# Final SOE
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## 1. Trash Chute
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- Check elevations for floor height
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- Uncheck Link 'Enable Livecount'
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- CA.33(Misc. Ass.). 2
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- 100' Horizontal (If not shown)
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- Vertical Put in Typical
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- Check Bottom of chute if taken off already in elec. THIS IS ONLY FOR THE HORIZONTAL
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## 2. CU/IP
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- Units Condensing Unit
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- Mechanical Connection
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## 3. Slab Deck
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- Create Area Typical for every Concrete slab floor
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- ID.37.16.1
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- ID. MISC PDI PRODUCT. MISC MATERIAL. SLAB/DECK
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- 2 Typicals
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- 'All Building'
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- 1 every level (Not Roof)
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- HD 1 Per Section
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- 'All Garage'
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- 1 every level
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## 4. Temporary Power & Lighting
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```
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Area = ""
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```
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- ID.27.
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- 3/4/5 (A-bid>>)
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- 8/9
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- Total GSF - Garage GSF = Building Size
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- Garage SF = Temp lighting Garage
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- Enter in count
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Gardens: Take off 1 Tpole `ID.28.1` per 150' per building
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TEMP LIGHTING ^^^^
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## 5. Irrigation pumps
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- SYSTEM: `MISC - Site Miscellaneous`
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- (3) 3Phase 30A 200' Mech. Con.
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- Append to name: "Irrigation Pump - "
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## 6. Lightning Protection
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- Check line Item on Proposal
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- Go to the notes and take off
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# PDI Takeoff Scratch
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Notes taken in review with Joel.
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%% TODO: Split to more appropriate notes and delete this one. %%
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* Use 15ft adders for site runs
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(primaries, secondaries, etc.),
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as opposed to standard 10ft adder,
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to account for variability.
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@@ -64,6 +64,15 @@ He later refers to the tendency to overvalue competence
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in the role of achieving improbable accomplishments
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as the "Red Baron effect".
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### There's Always Enough Data
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Hubbard challenges the popular rebuttal
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that X industry lacks the data to use quantitative models.
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> [!quote] Fallacy of Close Analogy - p.236
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> ...the belief that unless two things are identical in every way,
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> nothing learned from one can be applied to the other.
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## Mentioned Topics and Abbreviations
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* Analytic Hierarchy Process (AHP)
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