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# Estimating Isn't Engineering
A peer recently expressed frustration to me
about the declining quality of construction drawings,
specifically how scope is often ~~required but not detailed~~.
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TODO: discussion based on the difference between engineering,
(which requires knowledge of subject matter)
and estimation
(which requires knowledge of ~~impact~~).
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It's not engineering to budget for the most likely case.
Estimators need not know _why_ there tends to be ~~example~~,
they need need only have basis for applying that generalization to another project.
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(mostly multi-family specific)
project info, including:
* level names
* levels by elevation
* unit types
* info
* by level
* area types by level
* switchgear by level
* feeders
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To calculate regular quantities
* sleeving
* conductor support
* by feeder routing
* sleeving
* conductor support
* by area
* temp power
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# Final SOE
## 1. Trash Chute
- Check elevations for floor height
- Uncheck Link 'Enable Livecount'
- CA.33(Misc. Ass.). 2
- 100' Horizontal (If not shown)
- Vertical Put in Typical
- Check Bottom of chute if taken off already in elec. THIS IS ONLY FOR THE HORIZONTAL
## 2. CU/IP
- Units Condensing Unit
- Mechanical Connection
## 3. Slab Deck
- Create Area Typical for every Concrete slab floor
- ID.37.16.1
- ID. MISC PDI PRODUCT. MISC MATERIAL. SLAB/DECK
- 2 Typicals
- 'All Building'
- 1 every level (Not Roof)
- HD 1 Per Section
- 'All Garage'
- 1 every level
## 4. Temporary Power & Lighting
```
Area = ""
```
- ID.27.
- 3/4/5 (A-bid>>)
- 8/9
- Total GSF - Garage GSF = Building Size
- Garage SF = Temp lighting Garage
- Enter in count
Gardens: Take off 1 Tpole `ID.28.1` per 150' per building
TEMP LIGHTING ^^^^
## 5. Irrigation pumps
- SYSTEM: `MISC - Site Miscellaneous`
- (3) 3Phase 30A 200' Mech. Con.
- Append to name: "Irrigation Pump - "
## 6. Lightning Protection
- Check line Item on Proposal
- Go to the notes and take off
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# PDI Takeoff Scratch
Notes taken in review with Joel.
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* Use 15ft adders for site runs
(primaries, secondaries, etc.),
as opposed to standard 10ft adder,
to account for variability.
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in the role of achieving improbable accomplishments
as the "Red Baron effect".
### There's Always Enough Data
Hubbard challenges the popular rebuttal
that X industry lacks the data to use quantitative models.
> [!quote] Fallacy of Close Analogy - p.236
> ...the belief that unless two things are identical in every way,
> nothing learned from one can be applied to the other.
## Mentioned Topics and Abbreviations
* Analytic Hierarchy Process (AHP)